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Topic: Hachiwari / Kabutowari - 8 replies
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Sun 25th Jan 2009 18:32
Evening Katchbunnies.
Here's a question:
Hachiwari / Kabutowari (Literally "Helmet Smasher") A legitamate weapon or a piece of mid
Tokugawa whimsy..........?
Hachiwari - ninjer stylee
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It would grip a kabuto, however the pissed off samurai on the other end would probally stab you.
A queer mod on a Jutte? Can't think why an edo-bushi would be wearing a kabuto anyway?
My rote: Gimmick for export
A queer mod on a Jutte? Can't think why an edo-bushi would be wearing a kabuto anyway?
My rote: Gimmick for export
Helmet smasher? Maybe, helmet opener - it does sort of look like an old-fashioned can opener, doesn't it?
I just can't imagine it being all that useful (I know, I know: a teacup is deadly in the hands of an expert). If one were close enough to use a "kabutowari" I imagine most would prefer having something else in their hands. Perhaps it was meant to get around the helmet and menpo with a well placed thrust...
I just can't imagine it being all that useful (I know, I know: a teacup is deadly in the hands of an expert). If one were close enough to use a "kabutowari" I imagine most would prefer having something else in their hands. Perhaps it was meant to get around the helmet and menpo with a well placed thrust...
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Serious piece of Warrior kit?????????????????????
or lump of Ninjer Hillbilly Nonsense:
(Above a gentle warning against the folly of wearing Brown shoes in Town...)
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I thought I left my bottle opener at your place. I'll need it for the weekend.
It looks a little impractical and very "Persian" in design. Is it even Japanese?
Budweiser? You better have some scott to wash the taste of that stuff out.
Unknown to many historians Tokugawa used this bottle against Toyotomi in the siege of Osaka Castle. Tokugawa hid 2000 Ninjai's ( www.ninjai.com ) inside and well you know the rest of the story.
Damn you Tokugawa and your Budweiser!!!!
Sorry, our family was under Toyotomi, I get a little emotional sometimes.
On a serious note, I believe the Kabutowari was a legitimate weapon, HOWEVER I do not believe it was for smashing helmets. It may have received the name because it could crack a helmet, but lets be logical. You would have to be right next to the person and smash him on the head with extreme force without him attacking you. You would be quite vulnerable. It would be best used running into the Samurai locker room and smashing helmets before a battle. There are many decorative, but still usable Kabutowari out there which were probably made in the Meiji period, these I believe are geared more for display / export.
What most of us see is a Tekkan which looks like a Kabutowari. These were the answer to the Haitorei Edict which abolished edged weapons, the Tekkan were absolutely legal to have as they had no edge.
Just an opinion.
Damn you Tokugawa and your Budweiser!!!!
Sorry, our family was under Toyotomi, I get a little emotional sometimes.
On a serious note, I believe the Kabutowari was a legitimate weapon, HOWEVER I do not believe it was for smashing helmets. It may have received the name because it could crack a helmet, but lets be logical. You would have to be right next to the person and smash him on the head with extreme force without him attacking you. You would be quite vulnerable. It would be best used running into the Samurai locker room and smashing helmets before a battle. There are many decorative, but still usable Kabutowari out there which were probably made in the Meiji period, these I believe are geared more for display / export.
What most of us see is a Tekkan which looks like a Kabutowari. These were the answer to the Haitorei Edict which abolished edged weapons, the Tekkan were absolutely legal to have as they had no edge.
Just an opinion.
Quote from Hirase - 28th Jan 2009 01:35 View
...It would be best used running into the Samurai locker room and smashing helmets before a battle.
Hahaha, this just made my day. Thanks a lot. 
I think that hachiwari-kabutowari were actual weapons. I have seen and held many examples, you could defend your self quite well with the tessen style ones, they were not much different than a jutte. The sharp ones would leave a brutal wound.
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